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    Which tier do you think MoxieMence having Dragon Dance will go?

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    MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Kira Light on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:09 pm



    Today, there were news that there will be Move Tutors in Pokemon Black and White 2. That's because Outrage is a tutor move in Gen V now. It used to be only for gen IV. This will be a big change to the metagame, as Pokemon like Salamence will be able to get Moxie, Dragon Dance and Outrage on the same set, making Salamence a monster. What do you think will happen to Salamence once it gets those new tools? I personally think it'll be Uber, as it can destroy a whole team after a few Dragon Dance boosts, and each time it kills something, Moxie will activate, boosting its massive Attack stat even more. Also, those sets will most likely be using Lum Berry as item, so Salamence can go on an Outrage rampage twice!

    On another note, it seems the Elemental Punches will be tutor moves. That means Conkeldurr might be able to obtain Ice Punch to kill Gliscor.


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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Octillery on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:12 pm

    Salamence will likely be Uber, however there are several OU counters, Conkeldurr if it gets Ice Punch most noticeably.

    Salamence has higher attack than Scrafty, which with good prediction can wipe out a lot of teams after one Dragon Dance, because of Moxie. Salamence is an even bigger threat after one than Scrafty. Definitely Uber, in my opinion.
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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Kira Light on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:16 pm

    Octillery wrote:Salamence will likely be Uber, however there are several OU counters, Conkeldurr if it gets Ice Punch most noticeably.

    Salamence has higher attack than Scrafty, which with good prediction can wipe out a lot of teams after one Dragon Dance, because of Moxie. Salamence is an even bigger threat after one than Scrafty. Definitely Uber, in my opinion.

    Well, Conkeldurr can't live a boosted Outrage from Salamence. Anyways, its main counters will be priority moves, such as Bullet Punch and Ice Shard. Scizor and Mamoswine will be its main counters, as well as Steel-types. However, Salamence will usually be accompanied by a Magnezone...
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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Crossfire12 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:29 pm

    Moxiemence is going to be very powerful so going to uber just like it's sinnoh bro Garchomp wont be anything new just saying
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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Nasira on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:34 pm

    High chance that it'll become Uber, since Scarf MoxieMence can destroy teams already. The ability to switch moves will cause it to be banished from OU, without a doubt.
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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Kira Light on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:45 pm

    Nasira wrote:High chance that it'll become Uber, since Scarf MoxieMence can destroy teams already. The ability to switch moves will cause it to be banished from OU, without a doubt.

    Also, another point that makes this Salamence better than ScarfMence is that it has access to Lum Berry, which lets it boost up without worrying about status. It can also let Salamence snap out of Outrage's confusion if the item wasn't previously used. After 2 or 3 turns of Outrage, your Attack boosts will be super high. And then you use Outrage again. Then it's GG. Especially if steels were eliminated by Magnezone / Magneton.
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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Roxie on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:49 pm

    Moxiemence is going to be incredibly strong (considering I've used it before). It's amazing if it is already set up with a few Dragon Dances.


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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Kira Light on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:58 pm

    Prometheus wrote:Moxiemence is going to be incredibly strong (considering I've used it before). It's amazing if it is already set up with a few Dragon Dances.

    You know you can't use MoxieMence with Dragon Dance and Outrage on the same set as of right now, right? If you want to use DD and Outrage, you need to use Intimidate as ability. Soon, you'll be able to have Moxie as ability, so you're already boosted with DD, and you can get +1 in Attack each time you kill something with a powerful Outrage. And then you have Lum Berry to heal status, and then you start again. That's why it will most likely be banned. MoxieMence with Outrage doesn't have access to Dragon Dance at the moment.
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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Roxie on Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:02 pm

    oh yeah, forgot about that xD
    It's probably going to be uber so meh~


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    Re: MoxieMence + DD

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:45 pm

    Mamoswine will likely see more use (due to Stealth Rock and Superpower), and Scizor is just as big as ever. Some damage calcs:

    252 Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor (+Atk) Bullet Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Salamence: 58.91% - 69.18%
    2 hits to KO

    252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine (+Atk) Ice Shard vs 0 HP/0 Def Salamence: 137.76% - 161.33%
    Guaranteed OHKO

    Nearly every offensive team will carry one of them to combat the rising threat of DD + Outrage MoxieMence, and with the rise of entry hazards (see: Stealth Rock tutor) and Sleep Talk for Ghosts, Salamence will have a much tougher time switching in and actually doing stuff, since Stealth Rock will rip it apart. However, I won't deny the fact that Salamence will become a massive threat that OU will have to prepare for.


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