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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by harsha on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:04 pm

    Alrighty. Here we go.
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    Trait: Iron Fist | Blaze
    Nature: Jolly | Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk | 4 SDef | 252 Spd
    ~Swords Dance
    ~Blaze Kick | Fire Punch
    ~Stone Edge | Earthquake | Thunderpunch
    ~Close Combat
    You already know how this works. He resists Ice Beam and Blizzard, and Regice will probably not attack with Zap Cannon. Gravity does nothing to Infernape, and Toxic won't affect him too much, as he will only need to attack with Close Combat once since there aren't investments in Def or HP.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:58 pm

    Yeah. Unfortunately, Infernape is left open to...



    Latios (M) @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, - Atk)
    - Draco Meteor
    - Surf
    - Hidden Power Fire / Psyshock
    - Recover

    Infernape cannot hit Latios for regular damage unless it uses Stone Edge, and Latios can pack Surf or Psyshock to deal with Infernape, completely neutering it.


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Artist Smeargle on Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:56 am

    Hmm... Let's assume Latios is using Psyshock, kay?



    Ferrothorn (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect
    - Stealth Rock
    - Gyro Ball

    Resists all of Latios' moves (Taken that Psyshock is used), can Leech Seed to weaken it slowly, seeing as it is not using Leftovers and can set up Spikes in the meantime. (I just wanted to get the game rolling again.)


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by harsha on Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:28 am

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    Trait: Natural Cure
    Modest Nature
    EVs: 4 HP | 252 SAtk | 252 Spe
    IVs: 30 Atk | 30 SAtk | 30 Spe
    ~Leaf Storm | Giga Drain
    ~Hidden Power [Fire]
    ~Earth Power
    ~Nasty Plot
    We all know how Celebi operates. Use HP Fire to get rid of that Ferrothorn. Leaf Storm and Giga Drain can hit switch-ins very hard. Earth Power will hit Heatran hard as well. Nasty Plot skyrockets Special Attack. Leech Seed doesn't effect Celebi, so Ferrothorn is in quite a lot of trouble.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Hemlock on Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:44 pm

    Hydreigon @ Choice Scarf/Choice Specs
    Ability: Levitate
    Stat Spread: 252 Sp. Atk Ev's, 252 Speed Ev's, 4 HP Ev's
    Nature: Modest/Timid
    Moves:
    Flamethrower/Fire Blast
    Dark Pulse
    Surf
    Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor

    With a Modest Nature and Choice Scarf, Hydreigon's speed will reach 442, which is enough to outspeed Celebi. Using this...
    Detailed results:
    Detailed Result:
    252 SpAtk Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Celebi: 82.46% - 97.37%
    2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
    Possible HP Damage: 282, 285, 288, 291, 294, 297, 303, 306, 309, 312, 315, 318, 321, 324, 327, 333

    Even if Celebi is at +6 Sp Atk...
    Detailed Result:
    252 +6 SpAtk Celebi Hidden Power Fire vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Hydreigon: 46.63% - 54.91%
    2-3 hits to KO
    Possible HP Damage: 152, 153, 155, 157, 159, 161, 162, 164, 166, 168, 170, 171, 173, 175, 177, 179

    Showing that with Choice Scarf, Hydreigon has enough power to swiftly 2 hit Celebi with Dark Pulse.
    If Hydreigon was Timid, his speed would be at 486. The result is similar though...
    Detailed Result:
    252 SpAtk Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Celebi: 74.56% - 88.6%
    2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
    Possible HP Damage: 255, 258, 261, 264, 267, 270, 273, 276, 279, 282, 285, 288, 291, 294, 297, 303

    If Hydreigon had Choice Specs instead of the scarf and was a modest nature and used Dark Pulse, the effects would be...
    Detailed Result:
    252 SpAtk Choice Specs Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Celebi: 122.81% - 144.74%
    100% chance to OHKO
    Possible HP Damage: 420, 423, 429, 435, 438, 444, 450, 453, 459, 465, 468, 474, 480, 483, 489, 495

    If Hydreigon was Timid had had Specs, it would be the same but while doing less damage...
    Detailed Result:
    252 SpAtk Choice Specs Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Celebi: 111.4% - 131.58%
    100% chance to OHKO
    Possible HP Damage: 381, 387, 390, 396, 399, 405, 408, 414, 417, 423, 426, 432, 435, 441, 444, 450

    Celebi cannot use Earth Power whatsoever because of Hydreigon's levitate.
    If Celebi used Leaf Storm at +2, the result would be like this.
    Detailed Result:
    252 +2 SpAtk Celebi Leaf Storm vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Hydreigon: 69.94% - 82.21%
    2 hits to KO
    Possible HP Damage: 228, 230, 233, 236, 238, 241, 243, 246, 249, 252, 255, 257, 260, 262, 265, 268

    The only way for Celebi to ohko Hydreigon, is to get 2 Nasty Plots off and the results would be...
    Detailed Result:
    252 +4 SpAtk Celebi Leaf Storm vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Hydreigon: 104.6% - 123.31%
    100% chance to OHKO
    Possible HP Damage: 341, 345, 349, 353, 357, 361, 365, 369, 373, 377, 381, 385, 389, 393, 397, 402
    Ok, I'm done, Hydreigon clearly blows the fairy bastard back to the forest because it would only get either none or 1 Nasty Plot off before Hydreigon either 1 hit koes it or 2 hit koes it. It depends if you Scarf it or you specs it. No Nasty Plot if you are Specsdreigon, 1 if your Scarfdreigon.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by harsha on Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:09 pm

    Hemlock, I edited your post. Now for my next pick, I choose this Specially Defensive Politoed.

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    Trait: Drizzle
    Calm Nature [+SDef, -Atk]
    EVs: 252 HP | 4 Def | 252 SDef
    ~Protect
    ~Toxic
    ~Perish Song | Ice Beam
    ~Scald

    Politoed can either take a Not Very Effective hit from the Choiced Pokemon, or it can tank a normally damaging hit, Protect, then lay Toxic. Scald will wear down the opponent, and Ice Beam can even be used for coverage. If Hydreigon has Draco Meteor, he is screwed. If not, Politoed can ToxicStall him to death.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Hemlock on Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:19 pm

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    Nature: Quiet
    Ability: Magic Guard
    Moves:
    Psyshock
    Focus Blast
    Shadow Ball
    Trick Room
    Toxic cannot effect Reuniclus because of magic guard thus defeating the purpose of toxic stalling and using Psyshock on Politoed goes to...
    Detailed Result:

    252 SpAtk Life Orb Reuniclus Psyshock vs 252 HP/4 Def Politoed: 59.64% - 70.31%
    2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)

    Possible HP Damage: 229, 232, 235, 238, 240, 243, 246, 249, 252, 253, 256, 259, 262, 265, 267, 270

    Politoed cannot even touch Reuniclus what so ever as this shows the proof.

    Detailed Result:
    0 SpAtk Politoed Ice Beam vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Reuniclus: 16.98% - 20.05%
    5-6 hits to KO

    Possible HP Damage: 72, 73, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85

    Scalding it won't do much luck either...

    Detailed Result:
    0 SpAtk Politoed Scald vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Reuniclus: 21.46% - 25.47%
    4-5 hits to KO

    Possible HP Damage: 91, 91, 93, 94, 96, 96, 97, 99, 99, 100, 102, 103, 103, 105, 106, 108
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:10 pm

    Can no one read? Ah well. This is my post.



    Scizor (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 20 Atk / 240 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Bullet Punch
    - Bug Bite
    - Roost

    With its emphasis on Special Defense, Scizor can stomach anything Reuniclus can throw at it bar a critical Focus Blast, set up with Swords Dance, heal off the damage with Roost, and attack with Bug Bite, cleanly OHKOing it. Trick Room won't adversely affect its sweeping ability, seeing that it's slow anyways.


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Hemlock on Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:56 pm

    Charizard @ Choice Specs
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Solar Power
    Moves:
    Fire Blast
    Dragon Pulse
    Air Slash
    Focus Blast/Hidden Power Grass
    Since being a Fire/Flying type, it can easily shrug off a Bug Bite at +0 according to the details...

    Spoiler:
    Detailed Result:
    20 Atk Scizor Bug Bite vs 0 HP/4 Def Charizard: 13.8% - 16.5%
    7-8 hits to KO
    Possible HP Damage: 41, 42, 42, 43, 43, 43, 44, 45, 45, 46, 46, 46, 47, 48, 48, 49

    Bug Bite fails to OHKO Charizard even at +6 according to this...
    Detailed Result:

    20 +6 Atk Scizor Bug Bite vs 0 HP/4 Def Charizard: 55.56% - 65.66%
    2 hits to KO
    Possible HP Damage: 165, 167, 169, 171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181, 183, 185, 187, 189, 190, 192, 195

    Bullet Punch even fails to OHKO with +6 attack at the pseudo dragon...

    Detailed Result:
    20 +6 Atk Scizor Bullet Punch vs 0 HP/4 Def Charizard: 74.07% - 87.54%
    2 hits to KO
    Possible HP Damage: 220, 223, 225, 228, 231, 234, 236, 239, 241, 244, 246, 249, 252, 255, 257, 260

    Charizard can hit it hard, outspeed it when it uses Bug Bite and hit it with Fire Blast always one hitting it...

    Detailed Result:
    252 SpAtk Choice Specs Charizard Fire Blast vs 248 HP/240 SpDef Scizor: 279.88% - 330.61%
    100% chance to OHKO
    Possible HP Damage: 960, 972, 984, 996, 1008, 1020, 1026, 1038, 1050, 1062, 1074, 1086, 1098, 1110, 1122, 1134

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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Sammy on Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:58 pm



    Archeops @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Defeatist
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Stone Edge
    - U-Turn
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw

    Archeops lands a sure 1HKO on Charizard. That being said, Charizard can only get neutral damage with Focus Blast, and is slower, anyhow. I'll see ya later, Charizard.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by harsha on Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:06 am

    Hemlock, you need to condense your posts. They take up way too much space. Also, you don't have to include calcs. I counter with Swampert.
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    EVs: 252 HP | 252 Atk | 4 Def
    ~Waterfall | Aqua Tail
    ~Earthquake
    ~Ice Punch
    ~Stone Edge | Rock Slide
    You know how this works. Tank the hit, attack with Waterfall. Not much to it.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Artist Smeargle on Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:43 pm





    Ludicolo (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Rain Dish
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Leech Seed
    - Giga Drain
    - Scald
    - Ice Beam

    Ludicolo! Classic, isn't it? Either way. Ludicolo resists both of Swampert's STAB attacks, and only takes neutral damage from the other attacks, and can Giga Drain Swampert to it's KO. Just in case, I added Bold and 252 HP/Def EVs, seeing how it is Banded. Correct my post if I'm wrong, but I think this set at least beats it. If it can't take a Rock Slide/Ice Punch, then delete my posts. I wanted to get this out there quick since I'm going to do school in a minute.


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Hemlock on Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:27 pm

    Swalot @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Liquid Ooze
    Moves:
    Gunk Shot
    Earthquake
    Seed Bomb
    Ice Punch
    Evs: 4HP 252 ATK 252 SPD
    This looks like a very weird set to counter Ludicolo with but trust me, it works.
    Ludicolo cannot lay Leech Seed on Swalot or it loses its hit points. Gunk Shot, albeit inaccurate, does some mean damage to our sombrero friend right here.

    Spoiler:
    Detailed Result:
    252 Atk Swalot Gunk Shot vs 252 HP/252 Def Ludicolo: 73.35% - 86.54%
    2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
    Possible HP Damage: 267, 270, 273, 276, 279, 282, 285, 288, 291, 294, 297, 300, 303, 306, 309, 315

    Detailed Result:
    4 SpAtk Ludicolo Ice Beam vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Swalot: 21.35% - 25.44%
    4-5 hits to KO
    Possible HP Damage: 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by harsha on Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:22 pm

    Hem, your set needs EVs. I'll counter with a Lucario when you are done.
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    Adamant Nature | Jolly Nature
    EVs: 252 Atk | 4 SDef |252 Spe
    ~Swords Dance
    ~Earthquake
    ~ExtremeSpeed
    ~Mach Punch | Bullet Punch | Close Combat
    Kill before killed. I am doubtful that Swallow-a-lot will OHKO Lucario, so I believe he is a solid counter.


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Artist Smeargle on Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:39 pm

    I may as well go ahead and do this...

    Spoiler:

    Pokemon used:

    Volcarona
    Heatran
    Blissey
    Conkeldurr
    Skarmory
    Magnezone
    Dugtrio
    Bronzong
    Rotom*
    Tyranitar
    Machamp
    Spiritomb
    Jirachi
    Dragonite
    Cloyster
    Keldeo
    Staraptor
    Metagross
    Gliscor
    Kyurem
    Chansey
    Sigilyph
    Terrakion
    Latias
    Regice
    Infernape
    Latios
    Ferrothorn
    Celebi
    Hydreigon
    Politoed
    Reuniclus
    Scizor
    Charizard
    Archeops
    Swampert
    Ludicolo
    Swalot
    Lucario
    Slowbro
    Empoleon

    *All forms counted


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:59 pm

    EDIT: Aw. Can't use ScarfTar.


    Slowbro (F) @ Lefties
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Scald / Surf
    - Psychic
    - Flamethrower / Ice Beam
    - Slack Off

    Lucario, even when at +2, cannot beat Slowbro without Crunch. In the meantime, Slowbro can pound Lucario hard with Flamethrower. Slack Off helps Slowbro maintain survivability, while Regenerator only supplements that. GG, Lucario.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Artist Smeargle on Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:12 pm

    Let's see... I have the time.



    Empoleon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Torrent
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power [Electric]
    - Grass Knot

    Slowbro can hardly touch Empoleon without using Flamethrower, and I think Empoleon could KO it in time, seeing how you only invested 4 EVs into it's Special Defense. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    (Surf is STAB, Ice Beam is coverage, HP Electric is for great coverage with Ice Beam and Grass Knot is for Gastro/Quag/Swamp/Whiscash)


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:26 am



    Kojondo (F) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Regeneration
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Fake Out
    - Hi Jump Kick
    - Stone Edge
    - U-turn

    Used this guy extensively when PO implemented 5th Gen. into its simulating capabilities. He won me several tours in the early stages of Treehouse's 5th Gen. adventure. Fake Out gathers free hits for it, while Hi Jump Kick is the main bread and butter of this set. Stone Edge was used for the occasional Gyarados (then anyways), and U-turn let me abuse Regenerator and reset Life Orb damage.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Kira Light on Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:20 pm



    Gengar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP, 252 SAtk, 252 SpD
    Timid Nature (-Atk, +SpD)
    ~ Focus Blast
    ~ Shadow Ball
    ~ Substitute
    ~ Disable

    Gengar can come in on a Hi Jump Kick, or Fake Out. Use Subtitute to force Mienshao to use Stone Edge. Then DISABLE. And finally, Shadow Ball to KO Mienshao, or force a switch and leave with a sub.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Artist Smeargle on Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:10 pm

    DISREGARDED.



    Derpy (Umbreon) (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Wish
    - Curse
    - Payback
    - Protect

    Curse, Curse, Curse. Max HP and Sp. Def. Resists STAB. Can Recover with WishProtect. Payback to hurt Gengar. True, it has Disable, but unless it has good prediction, it will only be hitting a Protect, forcing it to wait until it uses Payback again. I really don't think Focus Blast will do much, assuming it never gets a Crit or a Sp. Defense drop. Anyway. Deleting Harsha's disregarded post...


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by harsha on Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:38 pm

    Oh yeah. I'm sorry about that. Well, here we go. I never thought I would ever have to post this guy...
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    Trait: Swarm
    EVs: 248 HP | 252 Atk | 8 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    ~ Megahorn
    ~ Iron Head
    ~ Return | Double-Edge
    ~ Pursuit
    Escavalier has enough Defense to take little to nothing at all from a Payback, and can OHKO even a +1 Umbreon, I believe. Anyhow, Umbreon won't do anything to this big bug. Sorry about the last placeholder. I completely forgot.


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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Kira Light on Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:00 pm



    Arcanine @ Life Orb
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 SpD
    Adamant Nature (-SAtk, +Atk)
    ~ Flare Blitz
    ~ Extremespeed
    ~ Wild Charge
    ~ Close Combat

    Adamant, max attack, Life Orbed STAB Flare Blitz easily takes down Escavalier.

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    As for Salamence vs Arcanine, here are some calculations:

    Salamence using Stone Edge/Earthquake on Arcanine = 91.9-108.7% (296-350)
    Since Arcanine has 322 HP, he could possibly live a hit. Arcanine would definitely live a hit if it had Intimidate...

    Arcanine using Extremespeed on Salamence = 36.9-43.5% (122-144)
    Since he can live a Stone Edge, he could easily go for two Extremespeeds.
    73.8-87% (244-288)

    In a situation where the Stealth Rocks are up, Arcanine could maybe beat Salamence. But, then again, the Rocks need to be up. Anyways, Salamence doesn't cleanly beat Arcanine one-on-one. Alright, last calc.

    Salamence using Outrage on Arcanine = 82.9%-97.8%
    (Not even a OHKO)

    Anyways, Arcanine is quite bulkier than what I thought he could be, and since Salamence is a revenge-killer, it'll have to switch out a lot and after getting hit twice by Extremespeed, and Stealth Rocks being up, he can easily faint coming in.




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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Crossfire12 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:09 pm



    Salamence (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 255 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Thunder Fang
    - Stone Edge

    Sally is adamant plus with a STAB outrage or just a EQ, arcanine won't last long
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:58 am

    Deoxys-S and the other Ubers are banned from use in The Counter Game!

    Now, onto the set:

    Mamoswine (F) @ Choice Band / Life Orb
    Trait: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
    - Icicle Crash
    - Ice Shard
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

    Pretty much self-explanatory. Mamoswine's Ice Shard transcends the Speed boost granted by Choice Scarf and is nearly guaranteed a KO with the appropriate item boosts and an Adamant nature. Should it be locked into Thunder Fang (which isn't that good a move on Mence in the first place), it's free to threaten with both Icicle Crash and Ice Shard. Underrated if you ask me.
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    Re: The Counter Game - LOGS

    Post by harsha on Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:01 pm

    Seeing as Mamoswine is truly counter-less, I'll go ahead and post something that I think can beat it.


    Gyarados @ Leftovers
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP | 4 Atk | 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature [+Spe, -SAtk]
    ~ Waterfall
    ~ Bounce
    ~ Substitute
    ~ Dragon Dance


    Try and tank a hit with Gyarados and then attack back with Waterfall. Fairly straightforward, and it's worked for me in the past. I do not have the calculations to prove it, though. You ARE faster with the Jolly Nature, to be clear.

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