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    Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Gonogo on Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:27 am



    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3455842&page=4

    Votes were made on Smogon this morning and the conclusion was Thundurus and Excadrill moved to Ubers. Just to let you guys know. That means Sandslash could be used in OU. Eventually. Anyways, that means both Rain and Sand teams are dealt with huge losses.

    I am eager to see how the Over-Used tier will be affected on Smogon, the server where I battle these days.
    Now, I would like to have your opinion on this matter. What do you guys think? I know Thundurus and Excadrill aren't banned in Wifi at the Treehouse.



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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by harsha on Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:35 am

    We know these were banned, but I have to say that I really don't think either required a ban. Need a counter to Thundurus? Look no farther than Quagsire / Swampert / Gastrodon. How about a check to that mole? Try a Gliscor or a Skarmory. Seriously, the reason these Pokemon were banned is because too many people whined about losing to them when they could have easily beat them. Anyhow, these bans probably won't be implemented on the server unless Rick wants them to. We'll see how this goes. I'm glad Dragonite wasn't banned, and Volcarona was not either. Deoxys-S is cool, but it really doesn't require a ban either.
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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:43 am

    The reason each of those mons were banned is because of the fact that they each only have a few hard counters, which can be taken out without having to overspecialize the team they're in, and when those counters are gone, it's very easy to clean up shop afterwards. The sweeping potential of both is also ridiculously high. They're faster than almost all of OU when in their respective weather and both have moves to help them exploit their weather. While both can use Life Orb to ramp their attacking power through the roof, they also can be seen using items to guarantee their setup, such as Lum Berry for Thundurus and Air Balloon for Excadrill. Wow, I've ranted for a bit, eh?

    EDIT 1: To all the people who are going to post here, don't rail at Smogon for deciding to ban these two. You don't have to listen to them.
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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by harsha on Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:27 pm

    That's true enough; both had exceptional power combined with a very potent Speed. In truth, without opposing weather, or a Stall base, your team is screwed against either Pokemon if given 1 turn. I do see the reason behind their banning, but I think they could have still been OU. Thundie probably won't survive in Ubers, but that isn't part of the ban criteria, so I can't criticize that. Broken Mole will probably still function well in Ubers, though. Sand took a large blow with the removal of him, and Rain wasn't as devastated, in my opinion, by the loss of Thundie (Don't get me wrong, he will be missed greatly).
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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:40 pm

    I've used Thundurus in Ubers before. It's ridiculously good, because of the better rain support (Kyogre), powerful Electric STAB, and its infamous Prankster Thunder Wave, which easily cripples the fast Scarfers looking to get a free kill on it, especially when it's at low HP. IIRC, Jibaku and a few other Uber specialists on Smogon have had success with a more defensive Excadrill in Ubers. I've yet to try it out though. While I'm with you in saying that the bans weren't needed, they did make several playstyles viable (Hyper Offense without screens) and made a few (Rain Stall, Sunny Balance) much better than before.
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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by harsha on Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:54 pm

    Ah, I forgot that he got Prankster while writing the above comment. That could help his cause a lot. I might take a shot at an Uber Sand team focusing on an Excadrill sweep. We'll see how it goes. Also, I like the change from Thundie to Gyarados on the Competitive Alcove section; he's one cool dude.
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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:00 pm

    If I were to use Excadrill in Ubers, I'd use it more towards the style of Forretress. After all, it is an effective way to deal with Zekrom without having to use Groudon or Ground Arceus on your rain teams. It's a good spinner.


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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:53 am

    Alright, pardon me for the double post, but if you're going to post in this thread, post about how this ban will affect the OU and Uber metagames. Don't complain about the bans like pre-pubescent schoolgirls, or you will have your post deleted.


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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Artist Smeargle on Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:06 pm

    RABBLERABBLE, I hate these dumb bans! RABBLERABBLE!

    ...But no really.

    Excadrill, one Pokemon I disliked fighting. It had high speed. It had a good attack. It would more then likely set up a Swords Dance by coming in on a Pokemon that can't hurt it much. Yeah. The best way to take care of it, from what I remember, was to bring out another Weather Pokemon (Politoed, Ninetales, Abomasnow) and seeing how it goes. I'd have to agree with the banning of Excadrill for the fact that, while not "impossible" to beat (Like people claimed Garchomp to be), you had to have something to take care of it. (Personally, I used Virizon.)
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    Thundurus, a Pokemon I honestly didn't have trouble with. At all. In fact I've only had trouble once or twice. I dunno, I'm not going to go on a rant, but I personally don't think he should have been banned. (Of course I used him...) On that matter, I've taken advantage in this new ban by finding Pokemon that were useless in the case of Thundurus. Or rather, less used. Jellicent is an example. Jellicent used to be used all the time I believe. I haven't seen Jellicent since my fight with McQ, actually. No matter, overall, I disagree with the banning of Thundurus, but I'm not going to rant at it like I did in the beginning, nor am I going to say "RABBLE RABBLE" anymore.
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    So, feel free to correct me on anything. This is just what I remember.


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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by PkmnTrainer Shane on Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:37 pm

    But I wasn't comeplaining.

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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Breloom on Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:46 pm

    But you spelt "complaining" wrong :3

    Both Pokemon are perfectly viable in Ubers on weather teams, I guess.

    As for OU, now I don't have to run Swampert or Gastrodon on every one of my teams >.> Excadrill was always relatively easy to handle, though.
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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by harsha on Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:48 pm

    Excadrill, if played correctly, was a monster. Especially if your weather starter was out, Excadrill would rampage through teams and didn't even require a turn to set up. He'd just wreck because of his amazing STAB Earthquake. I see why he was banned, and he will be useful in Ubers. However, I think he was fine in OU, as Skarmory and Gliscor, two of the most common Pokemon, completely walled him.
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    Re: Thundurus and Excadrill banned from 5th Gen OU on Smogon

    Post by Trinitrotoluene on Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:10 pm

    Nope. Nothing new to see here. Locked.


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